From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 09:26:45 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:26:45 -0200 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] coaxial from transformer to radio Message-ID: <548463aa.0161e00a.7d62.23c2@mx.google.com> Hello I am to build or buy a cable that go from HiZ 4-8PRO transformer to the RX input on the radio This cable should me 50 oHMS or a 75 ohms cable will work also? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 09:37:17 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:37:17 -0200 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source In-Reply-To: References: <54792d73.f1508c0a.68d5.ffff9e2d@mx.google.com> <004e01d00b80$9bc93a80$d35baf80$@hizantennas.com> <54793b47.4903e00a.4955.ffffa31c@mx.google.com> <005601d00b85$75a35a20$60ea0e60$@hizantennas.com> <5479a90e.0948e00a.6957.1982@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54846625.0b6d8c0a.9c8d.ffff822b@mx.google.com> Hello Anyone can tell me where to buy a good 20-24 volts, NOT SWITCHING transformer for the 4-8PRO? If you have a part number will be better for me Or a regulated one that I can vary from 18-24 volts Thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Lee K7TJR Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 03:48 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Gm Jorge Reading only 2.8 Volts on antennas means that your voltage is very low at the system in the field. This is due to the resistance of the RG-6 cable you are using to feed the array. One easy way to correct this problem is to use a higher voltage supply in the shack to send higher voltage down the cable. Some have found a wall wart that has a higher voltage like 15 volts and used this to raise the voltage. Do not apply the higher voltage to the wireless unit in your shack, leave it on your shack 13.8 volt supply. You can apply as much as 25 volts DC to the power jack or terminals on the back of the shack switch to raise the voltage in the field. You will need to get that voltage up for the array to work properly. So if you have a 15 Volt or so wall wart or a variable supply you can use you should try to get the voltage in the field up to at least 12 volts. Your wireless units are just like wifi signals. The boxes need to be in the clear for maximum signal. There are tiny antennas inside the black boxes. You may have to put the transmitter unit at the shack in a window or higher in the air for best signal. Personally I have one mounted at about 15 feet up on the side of my tower and I get full strength 1000 feet away at the array location in the field. I am using 25 volts at the shack to get enough voltage 1000 feet away. You should not have to go this high with only 350 feet. Keep me posted, Lee K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:08 AM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee You are right, antenna #5 is bad connected, GND to antenna and Antenna to ground :-) Will fix it for this night I read 2.8 volts on each antenna? What that means? Bad ground? And on the control box, the strength is not very good, just one green red. Sometimes just the yellow one, and sometimes grow till the second green led is flashing. I have 350 ft of RG6 from antennas to shack 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:35 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Jorge, It sounds like you have one of the Hi-Z amp antenna input wires on one of 1,3,5,7 reversed with the ground wire. You can simply use a voltmeter to measure the 4 to 5 Volts DC between the element and the ground peg you are using. Each element should read around 4 to 5 Volts DC. You may also have an element shorted to ground by some unknown foliage or closely touching wire? Either thing will cause this. You can simply inspect each Hi-Z amp to make sure the antenna and ground connections are correct. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:20 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee Antennas 2468 are OPK Antennas 1357 have a huuuuuummmmmm noise How can I test DC voltage? Thanks, -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:00 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello again Jorge I am not sure what you are telling us. Which antennas seem to be working 1357 0r 2468 ? They are separate systems that switch between the two. You need to recheck all your connections and make sure they are tightened correctly. Also test each antenna for the DC voltage as mentioned before. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:21 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello Finished installing all the system at 23:30 UTC!, very tired HiZ is listening, not as good as my beverage, but I noticed I have a noise on antennas 1, 3, 5, 7 Antennas 2, 4, 6, 8 are very quite Any idea what?s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From w5xz at att.net Sun Dec 7 09:41:20 2014 From: w5xz at att.net (dan edwards) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 06:41:20 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source In-Reply-To: <54846625.0b6d8c0a.9c8d.ffff822b@mx.google.com> References: <54792d73.f1508c0a.68d5.ffff9e2d@mx.google.com> <004e01d00b80$9bc93a80$d35baf80$@hizantennas.com> <54793b47.4903e00a.4955.ffffa31c@mx.google.com> <005601d00b85$75a35a20$60ea0e60$@hizantennas.com> <5479a90e.0948e00a.6957.1982@mx.google.com> <54846625.0b6d8c0a.9c8d.ffff822b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1417963280.33002.YahooMailNeo@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Jorge you could build one with a Radio Shack 12v transformer, and a voltage doubler.. 73, w5xz, dan ________________________________ From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source Hello Anyone can tell me where to buy a good 20-24 volts, NOT SWITCHING transformer for the 4-8PRO? If you have a part number will be better for me Or a regulated one that I can vary from 18-24 volts Thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Lee K7TJR Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 03:48 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Gm Jorge Reading only 2.8 Volts on antennas means that your voltage is very low at the system in the field. This is due to the resistance of the RG-6 cable you are using to feed the array. One easy way to correct this problem is to use a higher voltage supply in the shack to send higher voltage down the cable. Some have found a wall wart that has a higher voltage like 15 volts and used this to raise the voltage. Do not apply the higher voltage to the wireless unit in your shack, leave it on your shack 13.8 volt supply. You can apply as much as 25 volts DC to the power jack or terminals on the back of the shack switch to raise the voltage in the field. You will need to get that voltage up for the array to work properly. So if you have a 15 Volt or so wall wart or a variable supply you can use you should try to get the voltage in the field up to at least 12 volts. Your wireless units are just like wifi signals. The boxes need to be in the clear for maximum signal. There are tiny antennas inside the black boxes. You may have to put the transmitter unit at the shack in a window or higher in the air for best signal. Personally I have one mounted at about 15 feet up on the side of my tower and I get full strength 1000 feet away at the array location in the field. I am using 25 volts at the shack to get enough voltage 1000 feet away. You should not have to go this high with only 350 feet. Keep me posted, Lee K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:08 AM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee You are right, antenna #5 is bad connected, GND to antenna and Antenna to ground :-) Will fix it for this night I read 2.8 volts on each antenna? What that means? Bad ground? And on the control box, the strength is not very good, just one green red. Sometimes just the yellow one, and sometimes grow till the second green led is flashing. I have 350 ft of RG6 from antennas to shack 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:35 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Jorge, It sounds like you have one of the Hi-Z amp antenna input wires on one of 1,3,5,7 reversed with the ground wire. You can simply use a voltmeter to measure the 4 to 5 Volts DC between the element and the ground peg you are using. Each element should read around 4 to 5 Volts DC. You may also have an element shorted to ground by some unknown foliage or closely touching wire? Either thing will cause this. You can simply inspect each Hi-Z amp to make sure the antenna and ground connections are correct. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:20 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee Antennas 2468 are OPK Antennas 1357 have a huuuuuummmmmm noise How can I test DC voltage? Thanks, -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:00 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello again Jorge I am not sure what you are telling us. Which antennas seem to be working 1357 0r 2468 ? They are separate systems that switch between the two. You need to recheck all your connections and make sure they are tightened correctly. Also test each antenna for the DC voltage as mentioned before. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:21 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello Finished installing all the system at 23:30 UTC!, very tired HiZ is listening, not as good as my beverage, but I noticed I have a noise on antennas 1, 3, 5, 7 Antennas 2, 4, 6, 8 are very quite Any idea what?s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From cqkg8co at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 10:00:35 2014 From: cqkg8co at yahoo.com (Brian Sarkisian, KG8CO) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source In-Reply-To: <54846625.0b6d8c0a.9c8d.ffff822b@mx.google.com> References: <54846625.0b6d8c0a.9c8d.ffff822b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <185213065.6237756.1417964435096.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10656.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello Jorge ... To power my HI-Z system, I ended up purchasing a Tenma 72-7295 variable power supply. ?It is a switching PS, but I have no issues withswitching noise. ? I purchased the unit from MCM Electronics I see that you had a question concerning 50 ohm or 75 ohm coax cable. ?I happen to use 75 ohm coaxial cable. ? I learned a big lesson last yearconcerning the 75 ohm coaxial cable. ?Since I am feeding power down the coax cable, I had noticed a very large voltage drop by the time the powerreached the HI-Z (1,000 ft). ?It turned out that the coax I was using had a copper clad center conductor and had a lot of resistance, hence I hadto purchase the Tenma 72-7295 variable power supply which I think can supply up to 40 volts. +/- This year I switched out the original coax and replaced it with a solid center conductor 75 ohm coax cable and I find that I do not need to havesuch a high starting voltage at the radio room. ?Now I am able to feed the HI-Z unit that I have connected to two transceiver with the shack voltageat 20.5 volts and current at about .820 amps. 73 de Brian, KG8CO From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:37 AM Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source Hello Anyone can tell me where to buy a good 20-24 volts, NOT SWITCHING transformer for the 4-8PRO?? If you have a part number will be better for me Or a regulated one that I can vary from 18-24 volts Thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Lee K7TJR Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 03:48 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Gm Jorge ? Reading only 2.8 Volts on antennas means that your voltage is very low at the system in the field. This is due to the resistance of the RG-6 cable you are using to feed the array. One easy way to correct this problem is to use a higher voltage supply in the shack to send higher voltage down the cable. Some have found a wall wart that has a higher voltage like 15 volts and used this to raise the voltage. Do not apply the higher voltage to the wireless unit in your shack, leave it on your shack 13.8 volt supply.? You can apply as much as 25 volts DC to the power jack or terminals on the back of the shack switch to raise the voltage in the field. You will need to get that voltage up for the array to work properly. So if you have a 15 Volt or so wall wart or a variable supply you can use you should try to get the voltage in the field up to at least 12 volts. ? Your wireless units are just like wifi signals. The boxes need to be in the clear for maximum signal. There are tiny antennas inside the black boxes. You may have to put the transmitter unit at the shack in a window or higher in the air for best signal. Personally I have one? mounted at about 15 feet up on the side of my tower and I get full strength 1000 feet away at the array location in the field. I am using 25 volts at the shack to get enough voltage 1000 feet away. You should not have to go this high with only 350 feet. Keep me posted, Lee? K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:08 AM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee You are right, antenna #5 is bad connected, GND to antenna and Antenna to ground :-) Will fix it for this night I read 2.8 volts on each antenna? What that means? Bad ground? And on the control box, the strength is not very good, just one green red. Sometimes just the yellow one, and sometimes grow till the second green led is flashing. I have 350 ft of RG6 from antennas to shack 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:35 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Jorge, ? It sounds like you have one of the Hi-Z amp antenna? input? wires on one of? 1,3,5,7 reversed with the ground wire.? You can simply use a voltmeter to measure the 4 to 5 Volts DC between the element and the ground peg you are using. Each element should read around 4 to 5 Volts DC. You may also have an element shorted to ground by some unknown foliage or? closely touching wire? ? Either thing will cause this. You can simply inspect each Hi-Z amp to make sure the antenna and ground connections are correct. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:20 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee Antennas 2468 are OPK Antennas 1357 have a huuuuuummmmmm noise How can I test DC voltage? Thanks, -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:00 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello again Jorge ? I am not sure what you are telling us. Which antennas seem to be working 1357 0r 2468 ? They are separate systems that switch between the two. ? You need to recheck all your connections and make sure they are tightened correctly. Also test each antenna for the DC voltage as mentioned before. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:21 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello Finished installing all the system at 23:30 UTC!, very tired HiZ is listening, not as good as my beverage, but I noticed I have a noise on antennas 1, 3, 5, 7 Antennas 2, 4, 6, 8 are very quite Any idea what?s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 10:10:08 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:10:08 -0200 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source In-Reply-To: <1417963280.33002.YahooMailNeo@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <54792d73.f1508c0a.68d5.ffff9e2d@mx.google.com> <004e01d00b80$9bc93a80$d35baf80$@hizantennas.com> <54793b47.4903e00a.4955.ffffa31c@mx.google.com> <005601d00b85$75a35a20$60ea0e60$@hizantennas.com> <5479a90e.0948e00a.6957.1982@mx.google.com> <54846625.0b6d8c0a.9c8d.ffff822b@mx.google.com> <1417963280.33002.YahooMailNeo@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54846dda.83abe00a.7b7f.4901@mx.google.com> What?s the consumption of the power injector? Thanks, Jorge -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de dan edwards Enviado el: domingo, 07 de diciembre de 2014 12:41 p.m. Para: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source Jorge you could build one with a Radio Shack 12v transformer, and a voltage doubler.. 73, w5xz, dan ________________________________ From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source Hello Anyone can tell me where to buy a good 20-24 volts, NOT SWITCHING transformer for the 4-8PRO? If you have a part number will be better for me Or a regulated one that I can vary from 18-24 volts Thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Lee K7TJR Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 03:48 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Gm Jorge Reading only 2.8 Volts on antennas means that your voltage is very low at the system in the field. This is due to the resistance of the RG-6 cable you are using to feed the array. One easy way to correct this problem is to use a higher voltage supply in the shack to send higher voltage down the cable. Some have found a wall wart that has a higher voltage like 15 volts and used this to raise the voltage. Do not apply the higher voltage to the wireless unit in your shack, leave it on your shack 13.8 volt supply. You can apply as much as 25 volts DC to the power jack or terminals on the back of the shack switch to raise the voltage in the field. You will need to get that voltage up for the array to work properly. So if you have a 15 Volt or so wall wart or a variable supply you can use you should try to get the voltage in the field up to at least 12 volts. Your wireless units are just like wifi signals. The boxes need to be in the clear for maximum signal. There are tiny antennas inside the black boxes. You may have to put the transmitter unit at the shack in a window or higher in the air for best signal. Personally I have one mounted at about 15 feet up on the side of my tower and I get full strength 1000 feet away at the array location in the field. I am using 25 volts at the shack to get enough voltage 1000 feet away. You should not have to go this high with only 350 feet. Keep me posted, Lee K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:08 AM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee You are right, antenna #5 is bad connected, GND to antenna and Antenna to ground :-) Will fix it for this night I read 2.8 volts on each antenna? What that means? Bad ground? And on the control box, the strength is not very good, just one green red. Sometimes just the yellow one, and sometimes grow till the second green led is flashing. I have 350 ft of RG6 from antennas to shack 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:35 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Jorge, It sounds like you have one of the Hi-Z amp antenna input wires on one of 1,3,5,7 reversed with the ground wire. You can simply use a voltmeter to measure the 4 to 5 Volts DC between the element and the ground peg you are using. Each element should read around 4 to 5 Volts DC. You may also have an element shorted to ground by some unknown foliage or closely touching wire? Either thing will cause this. You can simply inspect each Hi-Z amp to make sure the antenna and ground connections are correct. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:20 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee Antennas 2468 are OPK Antennas 1357 have a huuuuuummmmmm noise How can I test DC voltage? Thanks, -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:00 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello again Jorge I am not sure what you are telling us. Which antennas seem to be working 1357 0r 2468 ? They are separate systems that switch between the two. You need to recheck all your connections and make sure they are tightened correctly. Also test each antenna for the DC voltage as mentioned before. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:21 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello Finished installing all the system at 23:30 UTC!, very tired HiZ is listening, not as good as my beverage, but I noticed I have a noise on antennas 1, 3, 5, 7 Antennas 2, 4, 6, 8 are very quite Any idea what?s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From k7tjr at msn.com Sun Dec 7 13:07:20 2014 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:07:20 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] coaxial from transformer to radio In-Reply-To: <548463aa.0161e00a.7d62.23c2@mx.google.com> References: <548463aa.0161e00a.7d62.23c2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Greetings Jorge. Yes you need a BNC to whatever connector is on your radio. It should be 50 ohm cable but 75 would not hurt anything. By the way 75 ohm BNC connectors use a different diameter center pin therefore I suggest 50 ohm. WE have no way of knowing what connector may be used by the customers. Lee K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 6:27 AM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] coaxial from transformer to radio Hello I am to build or buy a cable that go from HiZ 4-8PRO transformer to the RX input on the radio This cable should me 50 oHMS or a 75 ohms cable will work also? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From k7tjr at msn.com Sun Dec 7 13:10:33 2014 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:10:33 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source In-Reply-To: <54846dda.83abe00a.7b7f.4901@mx.google.com> References: <54792d73.f1508c0a.68d5.ffff9e2d@mx.google.com> <004e01d00b80$9bc93a80$d35baf80$@hizantennas.com> <54793b47.4903e00a.4955.ffffa31c@mx.google.com> <005601d00b85$75a35a20$60ea0e60$@hizantennas.com> <5479a90e.0948e00a.6957.1982@mx.google.com> <54846625.0b6d8c0a.9c8d.ffff822b@mx.google.com> <1417963280.33002.YahooMailNeo@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54846dda.83abe00a.7b7f.4901@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The power injector has 1 Ohm or less as I recall so the poer consumption would depend on the current through it. Suffice to say very little. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:10 AM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source What?s the consumption of the power injector? Thanks, Jorge -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de dan edwards Enviado el: domingo, 07 de diciembre de 2014 12:41 p.m. Para: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source Jorge you could build one with a Radio Shack 12v transformer, and a voltage doubler.. 73, w5xz, dan ________________________________ From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] good 24 volts PS source Hello Anyone can tell me where to buy a good 20-24 volts, NOT SWITCHING transformer for the 4-8PRO? If you have a part number will be better for me Or a regulated one that I can vary from 18-24 volts Thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Lee K7TJR Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 03:48 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Gm Jorge Reading only 2.8 Volts on antennas means that your voltage is very low at the system in the field. This is due to the resistance of the RG-6 cable you are using to feed the array. One easy way to correct this problem is to use a higher voltage supply in the shack to send higher voltage down the cable. Some have found a wall wart that has a higher voltage like 15 volts and used this to raise the voltage. Do not apply the higher voltage to the wireless unit in your shack, leave it on your shack 13.8 volt supply. You can apply as much as 25 volts DC to the power jack or terminals on the back of the shack switch to raise the voltage in the field. You will need to get that voltage up for the array to work properly. So if you have a 15 Volt or so wall wart or a variable supply you can use you should try to get the voltage in the field up to at least 12 volts. Your wireless units are just like wifi signals. The boxes need to be in the clear for maximum signal. There are tiny antennas inside the black boxes. You may have to put the transmitter unit at the shack in a window or higher in the air for best signal. Personally I have one mounted at about 15 feet up on the side of my tower and I get full strength 1000 feet away at the array location in the field. I am using 25 volts at the shack to get enough voltage 1000 feet away. You should not have to go this high with only 350 feet. Keep me posted, Lee K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:08 AM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee You are right, antenna #5 is bad connected, GND to antenna and Antenna to ground :-) Will fix it for this night I read 2.8 volts on each antenna? What that means? Bad ground? And on the control box, the strength is not very good, just one green red. Sometimes just the yellow one, and sometimes grow till the second green led is flashing. I have 350 ft of RG6 from antennas to shack 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:35 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Jorge, It sounds like you have one of the Hi-Z amp antenna input wires on one of 1,3,5,7 reversed with the ground wire. You can simply use a voltmeter to measure the 4 to 5 Volts DC between the element and the ground peg you are using. Each element should read around 4 to 5 Volts DC. You may also have an element shorted to ground by some unknown foliage or closely touching wire? Either thing will cause this. You can simply inspect each Hi-Z amp to make sure the antenna and ground connections are correct. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:20 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hi Lee Antennas 2468 are OPK Antennas 1357 have a huuuuuummmmmm noise How can I test DC voltage? Thanks, -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de contact at hizantennas.com Enviado el: s?bado, 29 de noviembre de 2014 01:00 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello again Jorge I am not sure what you are telling us. Which antennas seem to be working 1357 0r 2468 ? They are separate systems that switch between the two. You need to recheck all your connections and make sure they are tightened correctly. Also test each antenna for the DC voltage as mentioned before. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:21 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] HiZ 4-8 PRO noise Hello Finished installing all the system at 23:30 UTC!, very tired HiZ is listening, not as good as my beverage, but I noticed I have a noise on antennas 1, 3, 5, 7 Antennas 2, 4, 6, 8 are very quite Any idea what?s wrong? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com From cqkg8co at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 13:49:52 2014 From: cqkg8co at gmail.com (Brian Sarkisian) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:49:52 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test Message-ID: Test Brian, KG8CO From k7tjr at msn.com Sun Dec 7 13:54:49 2014 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:54:49 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its working now Brian -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sarkisian Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:50 AM To: hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test Test Brian, KG8CO _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com From cqkg8co at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 14:01:58 2014 From: cqkg8co at gmail.com (Brian Sarkisian) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:01:58 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Lee ... And thanks for the email. On the email reflector I have it where I can see a copy of my posted message .... but I still see that my posted message never shows up on the reflector. It seems that you get my message (which is great) but it looks like no one else can ever see it. Brian On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Lee K7TJR wrote: > Its working now Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf > Of > Brian Sarkisian > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:50 AM > To: hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test > > Test > > > Brian, KG8CO > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From k7tjr at msn.com Sun Dec 7 14:05:35 2014 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:05:35 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe all should have seen the last one as it did not bounce. I get the bounces here when they do. That's why I said its working now Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sarkisian Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 11:02 AM To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test Hello Lee ... And thanks for the email. On the email reflector I have it where I can see a copy of my posted message .... but I still see that my posted message never shows up on the reflector. It seems that you get my message (which is great) but it looks like no one else can ever see it. Brian On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Lee K7TJR wrote: > Its working now Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Sarkisian > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:50 AM > To: hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test > > Test > > > Brian, KG8CO > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscuss > ions_h > izantennas.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscuss > ions_hizantennas.com > _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com From cqkg8co at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 14:08:52 2014 From: cqkg8co at gmail.com (Brian Sarkisian) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok Lee ... Very good....... I never get a copy of my post, so that makes me wonder if my posts are making it to the reflector. Thank you Brian On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Lee K7TJR wrote: > I believe all should have seen the last one as it did not bounce. I get the > bounces here when they do. > That's why I said its working now > Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf > Of > Brian Sarkisian > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 11:02 AM > To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test > > Hello Lee ... > > And thanks for the email. On the email reflector I have it where I can > see a copy of my posted message .... but I still see that my posted message > never shows up on the reflector. > > It seems that you get my message (which is great) but it looks like no one > else can ever see it. > > > Brian > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Lee K7TJR wrote: > > > Its working now Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On > > Behalf Of Brian Sarkisian > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:50 AM > > To: hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test > > > > Test > > > > > > Brian, KG8CO > > _______________________________________________ > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscuss > > ions_h > > izantennas.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscuss > > ions_hizantennas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From contact at hizantennas.com Sun Dec 7 14:15:45 2014 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact at hizantennas.com) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:15:45 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101d01252$34bfd5f0$9e3f81d0$@hizantennas.com> I have gotten messages now that you have been successfully subscribed. Usually when something goes wrong you just unsubscribe and re subscribe. It could be that your e-mail provider is bouncing your posts. I got several messages about posts being bounced a week or so ago. Let's see how it goes. Also check your junk e-mail box. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sarkisian Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 11:09 AM To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test Ok Lee ... Very good....... I never get a copy of my post, so that makes me wonder if my posts are making it to the reflector. Thank you Brian On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Lee K7TJR wrote: > I believe all should have seen the last one as it did not bounce. I > get the bounces here when they do. > That's why I said its working now > Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Sarkisian > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 11:02 AM > To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test > > Hello Lee ... > > And thanks for the email. On the email reflector I have it where I can > see a copy of my posted message .... but I still see that my posted > message never shows up on the reflector. > > It seems that you get my message (which is great) but it looks like no > one else can ever see it. > > > Brian > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Lee K7TJR wrote: > > > Its working now Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On > > Behalf Of Brian Sarkisian > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:50 AM > > To: hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Test > > > > Test > > > > > > Brian, KG8CO > > _______________________________________________ > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscu > > ss > > ions_h > > izantennas.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscu > > ss > > ions_hizantennas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscuss > ions_h > izantennas.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscuss > ions_hizantennas.com > _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com From fdennin at numail.org Sun Dec 7 13:45:52 2014 From: fdennin at numail.org (Fred Dennin) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:45:52 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Unsubscribe Message-ID: <51F04CD9-0E1D-4D15-A943-86BFE4E2B23C@numail.org> From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 18:31:02 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:31:02 -0200 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <002101d006c4$23dce460$6b96ad20$@gphilltop.com> References: <54711217.2326340a.7a33.ffffc377@mx.google.com> <002101d006c4$23dce460$6b96ad20$@gphilltop.com> Message-ID: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> Hello Guys Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 x 1/8 and 3 ft long Grounding will be at this support May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in concrete? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and heavy hits with the hammer So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the verticals, so need something that support them easily If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much Thanks in advance 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From kd9sv at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 20:17:58 2014 From: kd9sv at comcast.net (kd9sv) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jorge, the angle iron supports MUST be in contact with the ground...concrete would be very bad for the system...de gary -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:31 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Guys Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 x 1/8 and 3 ft long Grounding will be at this support May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in concrete? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and heavy hits with the hammer So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the verticals, so need something that support them easily If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much Thanks in advance 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 20:59:11 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:59:11 -0200 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> Thanks Gary OK, will try to do the best to install it in the ground. Anyway I will try to do a hole sdo I will be sure to install it right vertically. If I try to bury hitting with a hammer, may enter twisted and then the antenna would look very bad 73, Jorge -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de kd9sv Enviado el: s?bado, 20 de diciembre de 2014 11:18 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Jorge, the angle iron supports MUST be in contact with the ground...concrete would be very bad for the system...de gary -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:31 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Guys Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 x 1/8 and 3 ft long Grounding will be at this support May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in concrete? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and heavy hits with the hammer So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the verticals, so need something that support them easily If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much Thanks in advance 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 20 21:06:40 2014 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54962B30.4030602@roadrunner.com> You can set the mount in concrete for strength and use a separate ground rod. GL, Roger On 12/20/2014 8:59 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Thanks Gary > > OK, will try to do the best to install it in the ground. Anyway I will try > to do a hole sdo I will be sure to install it right vertically. > > If I try to bury hitting with a hammer, may enter twisted and then the > antenna would look very bad > > 73, > Jorge > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de > kd9sv > Enviado el: s?bado, 20 de diciembre de 2014 11:18 p.m. > Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Jorge, the angle iron supports MUST be in contact with the ground...concrete > would be very bad for the system...de gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of > Jorge Diez - CX6VM > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:31 PM > To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Hello Guys > > Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 > x 1/8 and 3 ft long > > Grounding will be at this support > > May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will > act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in > concrete? > > Thanks, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de > Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. > Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of > Jorge Diez - CX6VM > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM > To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Hello > > Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports > > I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them > with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and > heavy hits with the hammer > > So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the > verticals, so need something that support them easily > > If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much > > Thanks in advance > > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! > Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! > Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From kd9sv at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 21:08:22 2014 From: kd9sv at comcast.net (kd9sv) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:08:22 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jorge, my friend Scott k2cub installed my Hiz square 4 last week and used a fencepost level and sledgehammer and the elements are exactly straight vertical -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:59 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Thanks Gary OK, will try to do the best to install it in the ground. Anyway I will try to do a hole sdo I will be sure to install it right vertically. If I try to bury hitting with a hammer, may enter twisted and then the antenna would look very bad 73, Jorge -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de kd9sv Enviado el: s?bado, 20 de diciembre de 2014 11:18 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Jorge, the angle iron supports MUST be in contact with the ground...concrete would be very bad for the system...de gary -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:31 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Guys Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 x 1/8 and 3 ft long Grounding will be at this support May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in concrete? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and heavy hits with the hammer So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the verticals, so need something that support them easily If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much Thanks in advance 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Sat Dec 20 21:12:57 2014 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:12:57 -0600 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com><54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jorge. . .Gary is correct. Concrete will act as an insulator. However, if you need concrete for mechanical stability reasons you could always drive a ground rod at the base of the hole and connect it to your post. . .or drive a ground rod along side the concrete. Even a 4' or 6' ground rod might well be sufficient depending on your soil type. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS Thanks Gary OK, will try to do the best to install it in the ground. Anyway I will try to do a hole sdo I will be sure to install it right vertically. If I try to bury hitting with a hammer, may enter twisted and then the antenna would look very bad 73, Jorge -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de kd9sv Enviado el: s?bado, 20 de diciembre de 2014 11:18 p.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Jorge, the angle iron supports MUST be in contact with the ground...concrete would be very bad for the system...de gary -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:31 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Guys Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 x 1/8 and 3 ft long Grounding will be at this support May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in concrete? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Hello Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and heavy hits with the hammer So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the verticals, so need something that support them easily If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much Thanks in advance 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From davek4sv at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 22:49:31 2014 From: davek4sv at yahoo.com (Dave Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 22:49:31 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <51E7FCE5-0508-4123-B293-E0A1E54BF3E1@yahoo.com> Jorge, Every installation is different. Depending on your ground you should install the Antenna mount in whatever manor that gives you good Antenna strength. Make sure the Antenna insulator between the mounting method allows for good low capacitance high mounting strength for the Antenna. Once the Antennas are mounted securely, drive identical ground rods next to each Antenna, in the same place on each Antenna. Your goal is make each Antenna be identical. Make sure the Antennas are exactly spaced for best performance. In my opinion and low capacitance insulator is a must. Good luck, Thanks, Dave Anderson, K4SV Sent from my iPhone 6+ > On Dec 20, 2014, at 9:12 PM, David Raymond wrote: > > Jorge. . .Gary is correct. Concrete will act as an insulator. However, if you need concrete for mechanical stability reasons you could always drive a ground rod at the base of the hole and connect it to your post. . .or drive a ground rod along side the concrete. Even a 4' or 6' ground rod might well be sufficient depending on your soil type. > > 73. . . Dave, W0FLS > > Thanks Gary > > OK, will try to do the best to install it in the ground. Anyway I will try > to do a hole sdo I will be sure to install it right vertically. > > If I try to bury hitting with a hammer, may enter twisted and then the > antenna would look very bad > > 73, > Jorge > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de > kd9sv > Enviado el: s?bado, 20 de diciembre de 2014 11:18 p.m. > Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Jorge, the angle iron supports MUST be in contact with the ground...concrete > would be very bad for the system...de gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of > Jorge Diez - CX6VM > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:31 PM > To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Hello Guys > > Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 > x 1/8 and 3 ft long > > Grounding will be at this support > > May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will > act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in > concrete? > > Thanks, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de > Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. > Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of > Jorge Diez - CX6VM > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM > To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Hello > > Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports > > I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them > with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and > heavy hits with the hammer > > So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the > verticals, so need something that support them easily > > If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much > > Thanks in advance > > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! > Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! > Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From na4m at suddenlink.net Sat Dec 20 23:26:14 2014 From: na4m at suddenlink.net (Phil Duff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 04:26:14 +0000 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <51E7FCE5-0508-4123-B293-E0A1E54BF3E1@yahoo.com> References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> <51E7FCE5-0508-4123-B293-E0A1E54BF3E1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Dave Anderson wrote: > Make sure the Antenna insulator between the mounting method allows for good low capacitance high mounting strength for the Antenna. What amount of "C" is considered "low capacitance" for the antennas mounts? How much is too much? How do we measure it? With one of the commonly available antenna analyzer's capacitance mode? What frequency? I'm curious because I recently changed my Hi-Z 3 el triangle array's elements and mounts. Originally used fence T-posts with offset PVC mounts for steel electrical conduit elements and ground rod for each element. Replaced those with #14 ga aluminum fence wire elements inside telescoping fiberglass poles with grey PVC bushings clamped to angle-iron driven into the found and separate ground rod. Have not noticed any obvious difference in the array's output to receiver or in performance. de Phil NA4M -. .- ?.- -- Phil Duff na4m[at]suddenlink.net From contact at hizantennas.com Sat Dec 20 23:52:32 2014 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact at hizantennas.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:52:32 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> <51E7FCE5-0508-4123-B293-E0A1E54BF3E1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> Phil The mount capacitance should be kept down to 10pf to 20 pf max. With small diameter elements your source capacitance will be even smaller so you need to strive for a very small mount capacitance. This can be measured with a hand held C meter or other means. Your system capacitance depends on how much overlap there is between wire element and ground post. Off the top of my head I would say you are going to lose quite a bit of signal if there is more than a few inches of overlap. By the way Phil, please subscribe or resubscribe to the Hi-Z reflector. I manually let this one through Lee K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Phil Duff Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:26 PM To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Dave Anderson wrote: > Make sure the Antenna insulator between the mounting method allows for good low capacitance high mounting strength for the Antenna. What amount of "C" is considered "low capacitance" for the antennas mounts? How much is too much? How do we measure it? With one of the commonly available antenna analyzer's capacitance mode? What frequency? I'm curious because I recently changed my Hi-Z 3 el triangle array's elements and mounts. Originally used fence T-posts with offset PVC mounts for steel electrical conduit elements and ground rod for each element. Replaced those with #14 ga aluminum fence wire elements inside telescoping fiberglass poles with grey PVC bushings clamped to angle-iron driven into the found and separate ground rod. Have not noticed any obvious difference in the array's output to receiver or in performance. de Phil NA4M -. .- ..- -- Phil Duff na4m[at]suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com From davek4sv at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 00:04:09 2014 From: davek4sv at yahoo.com (Dave Anderson, K4SV) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> References: <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> Message-ID: <1981921514.24275.1419138249756.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10694.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Phil, On my first installation of a HIZ 4 square, I used steel L shaped fence posts but used 3 inch electrical conduit 2 inches thick. ?I bolted to one side to the fence post and the drilled and mounted the antenna on the opposite side. ?I had 3 inches of space between the mounting post and antenna, I heard everything. ? You can see the element mount the second to the last picture here ?? Element Construction | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | Element Construction? Elements Construction Page | | | | View on www.hizantennas.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | ??Dave Anderson, K4SVTryon, NC?828 777-5088?WWW.K4SV.NET ? From: "contact at hizantennas.com" To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Phil The mount capacitance should be kept down to 10pf to 20 pf max.? With small diameter elements your source capacitance will be even smaller so you need to strive for a very small mount capacitance. This can be measured with a hand held C meter or other means. ? Your system capacitance depends on how much overlap there is between wire element and ground post. ? Off the top of my head I would say you are going to lose quite a bit of signal if there is more than a few inches of overlap. By the way Phil, please subscribe or resubscribe to the Hi-Z? reflector. I manually let this one through Lee? K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Phil Duff Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:26 PM To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Dave Anderson wrote: >? Make sure the Antenna insulator between the mounting method allows for good low capacitance high mounting strength for the Antenna. What amount of "C" is considered "low capacitance" for the antennas mounts? How much is too much?? How do we measure it?? With one of the commonly available antenna analyzer's capacitance mode?? What frequency? I'm curious because I recently changed my Hi-Z 3 el triangle array's elements and mounts.? Originally used fence T-posts with offset PVC mounts for steel electrical conduit elements and ground rod for each element. Replaced those with #14 ga aluminum fence wire elements inside telescoping fiberglass poles with grey PVC bushings clamped to angle-iron driven into the found and separate ground rod. Have not noticed any obvious difference in the array's output to receiver or in performance. de Phil NA4M -. .- ..- -- Phil Duff? ? ? ? ? na4m[at]suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From davek4sv at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 00:07:11 2014 From: davek4sv at yahoo.com (Dave Anderson, K4SV) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> References: <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> Message-ID: <1584921029.37418.1419138431240.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Phil, Not shown was a second insulator spaced up about 24 inches higher.?Dave Anderson, K4SVTryon, NC?828 777-5088?WWW.K4SV.NET ? From: "contact at hizantennas.com" To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports Phil The mount capacitance should be kept down to 10pf to 20 pf max.? With small diameter elements your source capacitance will be even smaller so you need to strive for a very small mount capacitance. This can be measured with a hand held C meter or other means. ? Your system capacitance depends on how much overlap there is between wire element and ground post. ? Off the top of my head I would say you are going to lose quite a bit of signal if there is more than a few inches of overlap. By the way Phil, please subscribe or resubscribe to the Hi-Z? reflector. I manually let this one through Lee? K7TJR -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Phil Duff Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:26 PM To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Dave Anderson wrote: >? Make sure the Antenna insulator between the mounting method allows for good low capacitance high mounting strength for the Antenna. What amount of "C" is considered "low capacitance" for the antennas mounts? How much is too much?? How do we measure it?? With one of the commonly available antenna analyzer's capacitance mode?? What frequency? I'm curious because I recently changed my Hi-Z 3 el triangle array's elements and mounts.? Originally used fence T-posts with offset PVC mounts for steel electrical conduit elements and ground rod for each element. Replaced those with #14 ga aluminum fence wire elements inside telescoping fiberglass poles with grey PVC bushings clamped to angle-iron driven into the found and separate ground rod. Have not noticed any obvious difference in the array's output to receiver or in performance. de Phil NA4M -. .- ..- -- Phil Duff? ? ? ? ? na4m[at]suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From na4m at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 21 00:10:50 2014 From: na4m at suddenlink.net (Phil Duff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:10:50 +0000 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> <51E7FCE5-0508-4123-B293-E0A1E54BF3E1@yahoo.com> <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> Message-ID: <29D7CA24-5926-408C-9A97-B8B3E29FC920@suddenlink.net> On Dec 21, 2014, at 4:52 AM, wrote: > Your system capacitance depends on how much overlap there is between wire > element and ground post. > Off the top of my head I would say you are going to lose quite a bit of > signal if there is more than a few inches of overlap. Tnx Lee. Now subscribed. When you refer to overlap with the "ground post" in your 1st sentence above are you referring to the actual grounding rod attached to the Hi-Z amp's ground terminal or the vertical element's angle-iron mount which is driven into the ground but not attached to the amp's ground terminal? Phil NA4M -. .- ?.- -- Phil Duff na4m[at]suddenlink.net From contact at hizantennas.com Sun Dec 21 00:20:46 2014 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact at hizantennas.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:20:46 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <29D7CA24-5926-408C-9A97-B8B3E29FC920@suddenlink.net> References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> <51E7FCE5-0508-4123-B293-E0A1E54BF3E1@yahoo.com> <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> <29D7CA24-5926-408C-9A97-B8B3E29FC920@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <003301d01cdd$e0f99eb0$a2ecdc10$@hizantennas.com> Phil I am referring to how much of your wire is parallel and close to your mounting post. This forms a parallel plate capacitor with the vertical elements post. The more overlap the greater the capacitance. The mounting post will be ground and the element going up will be close and a capacitance between the two. It sounds like you are using separate ground rods and mounting post. The mounting post will still be grounded to RF the same as the ground rod. So this must not be too close to the element itself. Here is some pictures I think Dave was trying to send. "http://www.hizantennas.com/element_construction.htm" Lee -----Original Message----- From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf Of Phil Duff Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:11 PM To: Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports On Dec 21, 2014, at 4:52 AM, wrote: > Your system capacitance depends on how much overlap there is between > wire element and ground post. > Off the top of my head I would say you are going to lose quite a bit > of signal if there is more than a few inches of overlap. Tnx Lee. Now subscribed. When you refer to overlap with the "ground post" in your 1st sentence above are you referring to the actual grounding rod attached to the Hi-Z amp's ground terminal or the vertical element's angle-iron mount which is driven into the ground but not attached to the amp's ground terminal? Phil NA4M -. .- ..- -- Phil Duff na4m[at]suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com From na4m at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 21 00:57:06 2014 From: na4m at suddenlink.net (Phil Duff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:57:06 +0000 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <003301d01cdd$e0f99eb0$a2ecdc10$@hizantennas.com> References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> <51E7FCE5-0508-4123-B293-E0A1E54BF3E1@yahoo.com> <003201d01cd9$ef358f10$cda0ad30$@hizantennas.com> <29D7CA24-5926-408C-9A97-B8B3E29FC920@suddenlink.net> <003301d01cdd$e0f99eb0$a2ecdc10$@hizantennas.com> Message-ID: Lee - OK - I understand the overlap to which you are referring. Yes - I am using a grounding rod separate from the vertical mount at each element. The wire elements are suspended inside 1 inch fiberglass tube with grey PVC bushings around the tubing for additional spacing of the wire from the mount. The wire element overlaps the mount approx 14-16 inches. I would think that the wire's small diameter serving as one very small capacitor plate in relation to the 1 1/4 in. angle iron mount's large plate would result in a fairly small capacitance given the wire's air spacing inside the combination of fiberglass tube and PVC bushing forming the dielectric would result in a fairly small capacitance. But maybe not. I should get out the MFJ antenna analyzer and try to measure the C with it. 73 Phil NA4M On Dec 21, 2014, at 5:20 AM, wrote: > Phil > I am referring to how much of your wire is parallel and close to your > mounting post. This forms a parallel plate capacitor with the vertical > elements post. The more overlap the greater the capacitance. The mounting > post will be ground and the element going up will be close and a capacitance > between the two. > It sounds like you are using separate ground rods and mounting post. The > mounting post will still be grounded to RF the same as the ground rod. So > this must not be too close to the element itself. > Here is some pictures I think Dave was trying to send. > "http://www.hizantennas.com/element_construction.htm" -. .- ?.- -- Phil Duff na4m[at]suddenlink.net From craig at thompsonet.com Sun Dec 21 06:19:10 2014 From: craig at thompsonet.com (Craig Thompson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:19:10 -0600 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Message-ID: Jorge I have to remove my posts each year and then put them back in the fall. I use a 2" earth auger. http://www.amazon.com/Tanaka-Planting-2-Inch-24-Inch-745204/dp/B0015Z3PCE I drill the hole very slowly and pull the dirt out with the auger. Then I am able to insear the aluminum angle pieces...tapping them with a small mallet for the last couple of inches. They are steady enough to handle strong winds all winter. Good luck 73, Craig K9CT From randyn1kwf at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 06:23:31 2014 From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:23:31 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports In-Reply-To: <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> References: <549606ad.25e9340a.33c9.ffff857c@mx.google.com> <54961fcd.6276320a.2005.ffff8069SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <54962964.013f340a.7243.ffff8f6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Put the angle iron in concrete and use separate ground rods. You will want to keep as much space as possible between any "ground" and the vert element. Randy N1KWF On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Thanks Gary > > OK, will try to do the best to install it in the ground. Anyway I will try > to do a hole sdo I will be sure to install it right vertically. > > If I try to bury hitting with a hammer, may enter twisted and then the > antenna would look very bad > > 73, > Jorge > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre > de > kd9sv > Enviado el: s?bado, 20 de diciembre de 2014 11:18 p.m. > Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Jorge, the angle iron supports MUST be in contact with the > ground...concrete > would be very bad for the system...de gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf > Of > Jorge Diez - CX6VM > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:31 PM > To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Hello Guys > > Will be installing new supports for my verticals, galvanized right angle, 2 > x 1/8 and 3 ft long > > Grounding will be at this support > > May I do a hole and then fill it with concrete? Or the supports that will > act as ground must be direct on ground and I cannot install them in > concrete? > > Thanks, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre > de > Rich Chatelain Enviado el: domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 12:21 a.m. > Para: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Asunto: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Is it possible to cut the bad part off with a Hacksaw by hand? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions > [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] On Behalf > Of > Jorge Diez - CX6VM > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:46 PM > To: 'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions' > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] verticals supports > > Hello > > Today was a bad day at CW5W trying to install verticals supports > > I had all my metal bases to put in the ground, the idea was to bury them > with a hammer, but the top of the bar was damaged because of too much and > heavy hits with the hammer > > So what do you use as the antennas supports? I don?t want to guyed the > verticals, so need something that support them easily > > If you have close photos that can send to me I appreciate very much > > Thanks in advance > > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! > Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! > Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h > izantennas.com > > > --- > Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! > Antivirus est? activa. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > -- Randy Lake N1KWF 73 Gunn Rd. Keene,NH From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 08:12:13 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:12:13 -0200 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5496c736.013f340a.7243.ffffbac4@mx.google.com> Thanks Craig! I was thinking about this!, just that don?t know if I can find it in my city, but will look for it. I saw a big one of this used with a tractor to install light columns, I will need something smaller like this one Thanks! Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions [mailto:hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions-bounces at hizantennas.com] En nombre de Craig Thompson Enviado el: domingo, 21 de diciembre de 2014 09:19 a.m. Para: hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com Asunto: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions Jorge I have to remove my posts each year and then put them back in the fall. I use a 2" earth auger. http://www.amazon.com/Tanaka-Planting-2-Inch-24-Inch-745204/dp/B0015Z3PCE I drill the hole very slowly and pull the dirt out with the auger. Then I am able to insear the aluminum angle pieces...tapping them with a small mallet for the last couple of inches. They are steady enough to handle strong winds all winter. Good luck 73, Craig K9CT _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_h izantennas.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com