From jcclark at myfairpoint.net Fri Dec 14 10:20:03 2012 From: jcclark at myfairpoint.net (Craig Clark) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] PE coated RG6 Message-ID: <019701cdda0e$7ec8f970$7c5aec50$@net> Anyone have any success installing compression F connectors on polyethylene coated RG6? I am having no luck with either double or quad shield compression or older crimp F connectors. Craig Clark K1QX QX Electronics PO Box 209 107 Fitzgerald Rd Rindge NH 03461 (603) 899-6959 office (603) 520 6577 cell From richard at karlquist.com Fri Dec 14 12:20:30 2012 From: richard at karlquist.com (Rick Karlquist) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:20:30 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Topband: PE coated RG6 In-Reply-To: <019701cdda0e$7ec8f970$7c5aec50$@net> References: <019701cdda0e$7ec8f970$7c5aec50$@net> Message-ID: <1b7044b0515e293f4dc050467a608f4a.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Craig Clark wrote: > Anyone have any success installing compression F connectors on > polyethylene > coated RG6? > > > > I am having no luck with either double or quad shield compression or older > crimp F connectors. > > Craig Clark K1QX An old trick that works with hoses on barb connectors is to heat up the hose by dunking it in a jar of hot (near boiling) water. Works every time. I'm thinking that one quick dunk in water won't hurt the RG6 if you dry it out afterwards with a heat gun. You could also try heating the coax with the heat gun instead of using hot water. If you try this, let us know how it works. BTW, where do you buy PE jacketed RG6; I'm looking for some for my satellite TV feed. Rick N6RK From grants2 at pacbell.net Fri Dec 14 16:29:20 2012 From: grants2 at pacbell.net (Grant Saviers) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:29:20 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Topband: PE coated RG6 In-Reply-To: <1b7044b0515e293f4dc050467a608f4a.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <019701cdda0e$7ec8f970$7c5aec50$@net> <1b7044b0515e293f4dc050467a608f4a.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <50CB9A30.2020203@pacbell.net> Just completed cables for an active receive 4 square with Commscope PE jacketed flooded RG6 (660-BEF), 1000' on ebay for $35. I used the "weathertight" compression fittings and a Radio Shack stepped prep cutter. RS has the tools cheap. Extra care is needed to remove the braid shards since the flooding goop causes them to stick to everything. It is also a challenge to push the cable far enough into the connector, next time I'll try the heat gun idea. I found trimming the braid away with a flush cutting wire snipper was helpful, but still have pretty sore hands. Grant KZ1W On 12/14/2012 9:20 AM, Rick Karlquist wrote: > Craig Clark wrote: >> Anyone have any success installing compression F connectors on >> polyethylene >> coated RG6? >> >> >> >> I am having no luck with either double or quad shield compression or older >> crimp F connectors. >> Craig Clark K1QX > An old trick that works with hoses on barb connectors is to > heat up the hose by dunking it in a jar of hot (near boiling) > water. Works every time. I'm thinking that one quick dunk > in water won't hurt the RG6 if you dry it out afterwards with > a heat gun. You could also try heating the coax with the heat > gun instead of using hot water. > > If you try this, let us know how it works. BTW, where do you > buy PE jacketed RG6; I'm looking for some for my satellite TV > feed. > > Rick N6RK > > _______________________________________________ > Topband reflector - topband at contesting.com > From n1rj at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 14 17:13:59 2012 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:13:59 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Topband: PE coated RG6 In-Reply-To: <50CB9A30.2020203@pacbell.net> References: <019701cdda0e$7ec8f970$7c5aec50$@net> <1b7044b0515e293f4dc050467a608f4a.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <50CB9A30.2020203@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <50CBA4A7.8010104@roadrunner.com> Did you fold the braid back over the jacket? Roger Grant Saviers wrote: > Just completed cables for an active receive 4 square with Commscope PE > jacketed flooded RG6 (660-BEF), 1000' on ebay for $35. I used the > "weathertight" compression fittings and a Radio Shack stepped prep > cutter. RS has the tools cheap. Extra care is needed to remove the > braid shards since the flooding goop causes them to stick to > everything. It is also a challenge to push the cable far enough into > the connector, next time I'll try the heat gun idea. I found trimming > the braid away with a flush cutting wire snipper was helpful, but still > have pretty sore hands. > > Grant KZ1W -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ From k7tjr at msn.com Fri Dec 14 17:50:30 2012 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:50:30 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Topband: PE coated RG6 Message-ID: Roger, I just went out into the cold and cut off a piece of F677tsef PE jacket cable. Yes you must fold out the stranded wires around the jacket. Yes it is very hard to push the connector on when cold. Yes it was much easier after I held one end in front of the heater for a few moments. Pushing and twisting got the job done when the cable was warm. I used both T&B Blue and Purple and they both worked. Lee K7TJR From n1rj at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 14 18:13:47 2012 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Topband: PE coated RG6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50CBB2AB.3070002@roadrunner.com> Sorry, Lee! I seem to have sent that comment to the wrong address. Anyway, it's nice hearing from you. Will you or the Gunny be at Dayton next year? 73, Roger Lee K7TJR wrote: > Roger, I just went out into the cold and cut off a piece of F677tsef PE jacket cable. > Yes you must fold out the stranded wires around the jacket. > Yes it is very hard to push the connector on when cold. > Yes it was much easier after I held one end in front of the heater for a few moments. > Pushing and twisting got the job done when the cable was warm. I used both T&B > Blue and Purple and they both worked. > Lee K7TJR > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ From k7tjr at msn.com Fri Dec 14 18:25:00 2012 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:25:00 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Topband: PE coated RG6 Message-ID: Yes Roger I have a dream of one or both of us being at Dayton next year but thats a ways off. Lee From w0rihps at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 14 18:26:29 2012 From: w0rihps at sbcglobal.net (HAROLD SMITH JR) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:26:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Topband: PE coated RG6 In-Reply-To: <50CB9A30.2020203@pacbell.net> References: <019701cdda0e$7ec8f970$7c5aec50$@net> <1b7044b0515e293f4dc050467a608f4a.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <50CB9A30.2020203@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <1355527589.23575.YahooMailRC@web181505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Just completed cables for an active receive 4 square with Commscope PE jacketed flooded RG6? (660-BEF), 1000' on ebay for $35.? I used the "weathertight" compression fittings and a Radio Shack stepped prep cutter.? RS has the tools cheap.? Extra care is needed to remove the braid shards since the flooding goop causes them to stick to everything.? It is also a challenge to push the cable far enough into the connector, next time I'll try the heat gun idea.? I found trimming the braid away with a flush cutting wire snipper was helpful, but still have pretty sore hands. Grant KZ1W Grant, Did you use the screw-on tool from RS to push the connectors on the RG6? It sure makes it a lot easier. I use only the crimp style connectors. 73 Price W0RI From jcclark at myfairpoint.net Sat Dec 15 09:25:55 2012 From: jcclark at myfairpoint.net (Craig Clark) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:25:55 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] PE coated RG6 Message-ID: <026701cddad0$19705f60$4c511e20$@net> I would like to thank everyone who replied to my question both in PM?s and in the respective forums. As many of you know, I have been making cables for years professionally but this one, like connectorizing RG174, stumped me. The issue is getting compression F connectors on the PE coated RG6 I am using to feed my K7TJR four square receive array. I have never had a problem putting F connectors on my PVC coated RG6. The problem is getting the PE to expand enough to accept the ground ?innards? of the F connector and properly seat the center conductor of the coax with the foam at the end of the opening. I have tried heating the PE and that works, kinda. Doing it in the field far from the house, on a cold winters day, means you have to judiciously use a torch to ?warm? the PE. One suggestion was to use hot water. I will give that a try later today. The suggestion that has worked on three test connections came from Joel at the RFC, another cable manufacturer. He suggested doing the standard cable prep as you would do for PVC. He then suggested two ?? lateral cuts in to the PE at the 12 and 6 positions and then push the connector on to the cable. Eureka! Joel also suggested using the older crimp F connectors in lieu of compression fittings. I have done both in my testing and am able to get a good connection with both. Using Joel?s suggestion, I?ll be remaking the splice where the coax was crushed hopefully this afternoon before the snow comes. I did speak to Lee at Hi-Z yesterday and he warned me about substandard quality F double females. He has had terrible problems with them. Special thanks to you all for helping me especially Joel, W3RFC and Roger, N1RJ who sent me data sheets for F connectors. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and all the best for 2013 Craig Clark K1QX QX Electronics PO Box 209 107 Fitzgerald Rd Rindge NH 03461 (603) 899-6959 office (603) 520 6577 cell From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 15 09:32:01 2012 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:32:01 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] PE coated RG6 In-Reply-To: <026701cddad0$19705f60$4c511e20$@net> References: <026701cddad0$19705f60$4c511e20$@net> Message-ID: <50CC89E1.905@roadrunner.com> The older style crimp connectors are NOT weatherproof! making cuts in the jacket may also compromise the weatherproof qualities of the compression connectors. You would have to ensure the cuts were above the O-ring seal in the connector body when it was seated on the cable. 73, Roger Craig Clark wrote: > I would like to thank everyone who replied to my question both in PM?s and > in the respective forums. As many of you know, I have been making cables for > years professionally but this one, like connectorizing RG174, stumped me. > > > > The issue is getting compression F connectors on the PE coated RG6 I am > using to feed my K7TJR four square receive array. I have never had a > problem putting F connectors on my PVC coated RG6. > > > > The problem is getting the PE to expand enough to accept the ground > ?innards? of the F connector and properly seat the center conductor of the > coax with the foam at the end of the opening. > > > > I have tried heating the PE and that works, kinda. Doing it in the field far > from the house, on a cold winters day, means you have to judiciously use a > torch to ?warm? the PE. One suggestion was to use hot water. I will give > that a try later today. > > > > The suggestion that has worked on three test connections came from Joel at > the RFC, another cable manufacturer. He suggested doing the standard cable > prep as you would do for PVC. He then suggested two ?? lateral cuts in to > the PE at the 12 and 6 positions and then push the connector on to the > cable. Eureka! Joel also suggested using the older crimp F connectors in > lieu of compression fittings. I have done both in my testing and am able to > get a good connection with both. > > > > Using Joel?s suggestion, I?ll be remaking the splice where the coax was > crushed hopefully this afternoon before the snow comes. > > > > I did speak to Lee at Hi-Z yesterday and he warned me about substandard > quality F double females. He has had terrible problems with them. > > > > Special thanks to you all for helping me especially Joel, W3RFC and Roger, > N1RJ who sent me data sheets for F connectors. > > > > Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and all the best for 2013 > > > > Craig Clark K1QX > > QX Electronics > > PO Box 209 > > 107 Fitzgerald Rd > > Rindge NH 03461 > > (603) 899-6959 office > > (603) 520 6577 cell > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 15 09:33:17 2012 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:33:17 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] PE coated RG6 In-Reply-To: <50CC89E1.905@roadrunner.com> References: <026701cddad0$19705f60$4c511e20$@net> <50CC89E1.905@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <50CC8A2D.40003@roadrunner.com> Danm! I did it again. Sorry guys. Roger Roger D Johnson wrote: > The older style crimp connectors are NOT weatherproof! making cuts in the > jacket may also compromise the weatherproof qualities of the compression > connectors. You would have to ensure the cuts were above the O-ring seal > in the connector body when it was seated on the cable. > > 73, Roger > From k7tjr at msn.com Sat Dec 15 14:18:59 2012 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:18:59 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] substandard quality F double females Message-ID: I just posted some pictures of my take on F barrel quality on the Hi-Z website. You might have to refresh the page as it is just now posted. YMMV Lee K7TJR OR "http://www.hizantennas.com/f_connector_quality.pdf" From contact at hizantennas.com Mon Dec 24 15:42:41 2012 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:42:41 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] MERRY CHRISTMAS and a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR 2013 Message-ID: <002101cde217$39b28b60$ad17a220$@com> >From the High Central Oregon Dessert (Hi-Z East) and the Southern Willamette Valley (Hi-Z West) we wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you and your families. Thank for making this our best year yet. 73 / CHEERS Dick KO7N, Lee K7TJR and Travis (Technician Extraordinaire) Ps. Stay tuned in more innovation is coming in 2013. From rich_k7zv at gphilltop.com Mon Dec 24 16:15:43 2012 From: rich_k7zv at gphilltop.com (rich_k7zv at gphilltop.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:15:43 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] MERRY CHRISTMAS and a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR 2013 In-Reply-To: <002101cde217$39b28b60$ad17a220$@com> References: <002101cde217$39b28b60$ad17a220$@com> Message-ID: <544255d349b97823e945d3391cf9180d.squirrel@www.gphilltop.com> Merry Charistams and Happy, Healthy New to you both!!!!1 Thanks for making this my best year ever on 160!! The system is truly amazing!!! Rich K7AZV > From the High Central Oregon Dessert (Hi-Z East) and the Southern > Willamette > Valley (Hi-Z West) we wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year > to you and your families. > > > > Thank for making this our best year yet. > > > > 73 / CHEERS Dick KO7N, Lee K7TJR and Travis (Technician Extraordinaire) > > > > Ps. Stay tuned in more innovation is coming in 2013. > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From ko7n at peak.org Mon Dec 24 22:25:19 2012 From: ko7n at peak.org (Dick) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:25:19 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] MERRY CHRISTMAS and a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR 2013 In-Reply-To: <544255d349b97823e945d3391cf9180d.squirrel@www.gphilltop.com> References: <002101cde217$39b28b60$ad17a220$@com> <544255d349b97823e945d3391cf9180d.squirrel@www.gphilltop.com> Message-ID: <50D91C9F.8040509@peak.org> Hi Rich, Glad to hear the good news. To you and all, be safe and check out Santa shortly. Here in the high dessert at 4855ft ASL Santa will be under VFR flight rules. CHEERS Dick KO7N/7 On 12/24/2012 1:15 PM, rich_k7zv at gphilltop.com wrote: > Merry Charistams and Happy, Healthy New to you both!!!!1 > > Thanks for making this my best year ever on 160!! The system is truly > amazing!!! > > Rich K7AZV > > >> From the High Central Oregon Dessert (Hi-Z East) and the Southern >> Willamette >> Valley (Hi-Z West) we wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year >> to you and your families. >> >> >> >> Thank for making this our best year yet. >> >> >> >> 73 / CHEERS Dick KO7N, Lee K7TJR and Travis (Technician Extraordinaire) >> >> >> >> Ps. Stay tuned in more innovation is coming in 2013. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Tue Dec 25 02:30:25 2012 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 01:30:25 -0600 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] MERRY CHRISTMAS and a VERY HAPPYNEW YEAR 2013 References: <002101cde217$39b28b60$ad17a220$@com> Message-ID: <58B0E27525204AFEB51A278B434FA222@radiocomputer> Dick and Lee. . best wishes to you both for a Blessed Christmas and a Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year. 73 from your friend in Iowa. . . Dave W0FLS ----- Original Message ----- From: "contact" To: "'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions'" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] MERRY CHRISTMAS and a VERY HAPPYNEW YEAR 2013 > From the High Central Oregon Dessert (Hi-Z East) and the Southern > Willamette > Valley (Hi-Z West) we wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year > to you and your families. > > > > Thank for making this our best year yet. > > > > 73 / CHEERS Dick KO7N, Lee K7TJR and Travis (Technician Extraordinaire) > > > > Ps. Stay tuned in more innovation is coming in 2013. > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From ko7n at peak.org Tue Dec 25 12:29:08 2012 From: ko7n at peak.org (Dick) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:29:08 -0800 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] MERRY CHRISTMAS and a VERY HAPPYNEW YEAR 2013 In-Reply-To: <58B0E27525204AFEB51A278B434FA222@radiocomputer> References: <002101cde217$39b28b60$ad17a220$@com> <58B0E27525204AFEB51A278B434FA222@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <50D9E264.3020205@peak.org> Dave, Same to you and yours. Be safe and be well. Cheers, Dick, Lee & Travis On 12/24/2012 11:30 PM, David Raymond wrote: > Dick and Lee. . best wishes to you both for a Blessed Christmas and a > Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year. > > 73 from your friend in Iowa. . . Dave > W0FLS > ----- Original Message ----- From: "contact" > To: "'Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions'" > > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 2:42 PM > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] MERRY CHRISTMAS and a VERY > HAPPYNEW YEAR 2013 > > >> From the High Central Oregon Dessert (Hi-Z East) and the Southern >> Willamette >> Valley (Hi-Z West) we wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New >> Year >> to you and your families. >> >> >> >> Thank for making this our best year yet. >> >> >> >> 73 / CHEERS Dick KO7N, Lee K7TJR and Travis (Technician Extraordinaire) >> >> >> >> Ps. Stay tuned in more innovation is coming in 2013. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > >