From cqkg8co at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 16:24:56 2011 From: cqkg8co at yahoo.com (Brian Sarkisian, KG8CO) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:24:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Status of Hi-Z Message-ID: <961220.72608.qm@web38506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry if this question has already been asked, as I am new to this reflector, but does anyone know the status of Hi-Z since their website is down? ? If nothing else, I would like to purchase some of their Hi-Z antenna pre-amps. ? ? Thank you ? ? Brian, KG8CO From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Sat Mar 12 16:46:42 2011 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:46:42 -0600 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Status of Hi-Z References: <961220.72608.qm@web38506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51855B4BFFD14709B1607A097ABA688C@radiocomputer> Brian. . To the best of my knowledge, Hi-Z and DX Engineering are still tied up in litigation over intellectual property rights regarding RX antenna design. Hopefully it will get worked out and Lee can resume building his excellent products. 73. . .Dave W0FLS Happy owner of a narrow 160m 8 circle array ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sarkisian, KG8CO" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Status of Hi-Z Sorry if this question has already been asked, as I am new to this reflector, but does anyone know the status of Hi-Z since their website is down? If nothing else, I would like to purchase some of their Hi-Z antenna pre-amps. Thank you Brian, KG8CO _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From w7jw at charter.net Sat Mar 12 16:35:54 2011 From: w7jw at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:35:54 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Status of Hi-Z In-Reply-To: <961220.72608.qm@web38506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <961220.72608.qm@web38506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57E47F8AD4454B338263187A8B951DAB@w7jwHP> Hi Brian, HI-Zantennas is in the middle of a lawsuit and I believe sales have been temporarily suspended. I'm a satisfied customer of HI-Z antennas and as soon as they get back in service I'm sure the website will resume. It is frustrating for many of their existing customers as well as potiential new customers. Stay tuned for new developments..... 73 de W7JW -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sarkisian, KG8CO Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:24 PM To: hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Status of Hi-Z Sorry if this question has already been asked, as I am new to this reflector, but does anyone know the status of Hi-Z since their website is down? If nothing else, I would like to purchase some of their Hi-Z antenna pre-amps. Thank you Brian, KG8CO _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From w7jw at charter.net Sun Mar 13 22:38:58 2011 From: w7jw at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:38:58 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] (no subject) Message-ID: <1FA3D0F604E240E6AB5A3877362F2861@w7jwHP> Looks like the Hi-Z antenna website is back online. Congratulations to Dick and Lee, welcome back. Jeff W7JW From yc0low at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 23:05:36 2011 From: yc0low at gmail.com (Jo, YC0LOW) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:05:36 +0700 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1FA3D0F604E240E6AB5A3877362F2861@w7jwHP> References: <1FA3D0F604E240E6AB5A3877362F2861@w7jwHP> Message-ID: Congrats to Lee and Dick. "Innovation will not be suppressed" Tnx es 73 de Jo, YC0LOW On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Jeff wrote: > Looks like the Hi-Z antenna website is back online. Congratulations to Dick > and Lee, welcome back. Jeff W7JW > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From contact at hizantennas.com Mon Mar 14 00:11:12 2011 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:11:12 -0700 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1FA3D0F604E240E6AB5A3877362F2861@w7jwHP> References: <1FA3D0F604E240E6AB5A3877362F2861@w7jwHP> Message-ID: <4D7D9560.1080602@hizantennas.com> Jeff, THANK YOU. Right now I can not speak. CW only, hi hi. Lost my voice. We are back and much is on the way. Thanks to you and so many more, really makes one feel great. Cheers / 73 de KO7N ... _._ On 3/13/2011 7:38 PM, Jeff wrote: > Looks like the Hi-Z antenna website is back online. Congratulations to Dick and Lee, welcome back. Jeff W7JW > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From w4pv at comcast.net Mon Mar 14 11:16:38 2011 From: w4pv at comcast.net (W4PV) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:16:38 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] (no subject) References: <1FA3D0F604E240E6AB5A3877362F2861@w7jwHP> Message-ID: <281053B1FC4049D6B925797C190DF998@richmondp> Hello Dick and Lee, Glad that all problems worked out and you all are up and running. My 4sq receive array is working fine. It has equaled or surpassed all aspects and expectations that I had expected of this receive array. Looking forward to the next design improvements and all futur advancements to help us layman improve our receive abilities on 16 and 80 meters. Great to have you back, Patrick, W4PV From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Mon Mar 14 12:14:27 2011 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:14:27 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Weatherprrofing amps Message-ID: <2F089D4F661343D09A0BEFA0B4D45C79@radiocomputer> Greetings. . . It's great to see Lee and Dick back in business! Great products, great support, and good prices. Has anyone come up with a good long term solution for weatherproofing the amplifier units at the antenna elements? Last December when it was cold and I was installing my 8 circle 160m array, I wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and taped them up. While they've held up surprisingly well, I need to implement a permanent solution which doesn't introduce excessive C between the antenna and ground leads on the amps. Any ideas? 73. . .Dave W0FLS From n1rj at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 14 12:30:15 2011 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:30:15 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Weatherprrofing amps In-Reply-To: <2F089D4F661343D09A0BEFA0B4D45C79@radiocomputer> References: <2F089D4F661343D09A0BEFA0B4D45C79@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <4D7E4297.80200@roadrunner.com> On 3/14/2011 11:14 AM, David Raymond wrote: > Greetings. . . > > It's great to see Lee and Dick back in business! Great products, great support, and good prices. Has anyone come up with a good long term solution for weatherproofing the amplifier units at the antenna elements? Last December when it was cold and I was installing my 8 circle 160m array, I wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and taped them up. While they've held up surprisingly well, I need to implement a permanent solution which doesn't introduce excessive C between the antenna and ground leads on the amps. Any ideas? > > 73. . .Dave > W0FLS > _______________________________________________ > Hi Dave... My antennas came with a length of tubing and cap. See: http://www.hizantennas.com/hiz_verticals.htm The thing I don't like about this arrangement is that the feedline is forced to make a sharp 180 degree turn when the preamp is inserted into the tube. With foam dielectric coax this could be a problem over time. 73, Roger From w8car at buckeye-express.com Mon Mar 14 12:53:20 2011 From: w8car at buckeye-express.com (Dan Kovatch) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:53:20 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Weatherprrofing amps In-Reply-To: <2F089D4F661343D09A0BEFA0B4D45C79@radiocomputer> References: <2F089D4F661343D09A0BEFA0B4D45C79@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <7C6FB52A4F164533B6CD0642E3F90832@mainpc> Dave, I use plastic coffee cans. I'm basically lazy and just invert the cans over the preamp and tape them to the post holding the vertical. The plastic is easy to cut to allow cable ingress and egress. I leave the bottom of the can open. I have found over the years in Ohio that humidity does the most damage and sealing anything results in corrosion. So now I leave everything open and covered from the rain or snow. The coffee can preamps were buried in snow and have been rained on heavily with no ill effects so far. I need to do a Spring inspection soon. I do use decafe cans so the preamps don't get too 'excited' whilst catching DX on 160 and 80! 73 Dan W8CAR -----Original Message----- From: David Raymond Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:14 PM To: Hi-Z Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Weatherprrofing amps Greetings. . . It's great to see Lee and Dick back in business! Great products, great support, and good prices. Has anyone come up with a good long term solution for weatherproofing the amplifier units at the antenna elements? Last December when it was cold and I was installing my 8 circle 160m array, I wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and taped them up. While they've held up surprisingly well, I need to implement a permanent solution which doesn't introduce excessive C between the antenna and ground leads on the amps. Any ideas? 73. . .Dave W0FLS _______________________________________________ Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From k7tjr at msn.com Tue Mar 15 00:36:11 2011 From: k7tjr at msn.com (Lee K7TJR) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:36:11 -0700 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Receiving arrays Message-ID: Little did I know when I started building receiving arrays that I would receive through this one of the greatest gifts in the world. I have received the support through trying times of the greatest group in the world. The Top-Band Guys. I am humbled and I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. We are excited to return to making the magic that we do. I hope you can all understand we are overwhelmed right now but can see the light at the end of the tunnel. We are back, and have some exciting new stuff. Thank You all, Lee Strahan K7TJR Dick Ewing KO7N From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Wed Mar 23 18:00:15 2011 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps Message-ID: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> I put up an 8 circle-narrow 160m array early last December. I was in a quandary as to how to weatherproof the amps at the antenna elements. Being pressed for time and having a snowstorm bearing down on me, I wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and secured the mess with tape. And it was a mess but it kept things dry, or so I thought. I had not given consideration to condensation. Cal, W0IZL, mentioned to me that he used the same approach and had experienced enough condensation problems that a couple of his amp boxes had to have work. I felt more pressed to find a more permanent, suitable solution that would allow for air circulation. In my pondering as to how to approach a more permanent solution, I put the amps inside of 4" PVC with caps on top and leaving the bottom open. I was just going to strap the PVC to the side of my mounting pipes and bring the antenna and ground wires in through small holes in the side of the PVC. In my discussions with Toni, N0NI, he suggested drilling a hole in the pipe cap and sliding the antenna element (in my case, 1" aluminum) through the cap with a piece of 4" PVC attached to it. I cut the 4" PVC in 15" length and put an assembly together to try. It works quite well. The PVC cap rests on the screw which passes through the 1" aluminum elements and secures the antenna wire to it. I sealed the hole in the PVC cap around the aluminum passing through it with liquid tape. The PVC pipe covers the amp and associated wiring. I did drill the hole in the cap somewhat off center to allow a little extra room for the amp which was is tie wrapped to the side of my steel "U" type 4' fence post. Now that I've tried one and am pleased I'll be finishing up the other seven elements in a similar manner tomorrow (if we don't get rain or snow). 73. . .Dave W0FLS From contact at hizantennas.com Wed Mar 23 18:33:59 2011 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:33:59 -0700 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps In-Reply-To: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <4D8A7557.8060704@hizantennas.com> Dave, Good going. Unless one uses a gasketed enclosure, moisture accumulation is a problem, unless there is a way for the accumulation to be removed or released. Dick KO7N Hi-Z Antennas(tm) On 3/23/2011 3:00 PM, David Raymond wrote: > I put up an 8 circle-narrow 160m array early last December. I was in a quandary as to how to weatherproof the amps at the antenna elements. Being pressed for time and having a snowstorm bearing down on me, I wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and secured the mess with tape. And it was a mess but it kept things dry, or so I thought. I had not given consideration to condensation. Cal, W0IZL, mentioned to me that he used the same approach and had experienced enough condensation problems that a couple of his amp boxes had to have work. I felt more pressed to find a more permanent, suitable solution that would allow for air circulation. > > In my pondering as to how to approach a more permanent solution, I put the amps inside of 4" PVC with caps on top and leaving the bottom open. I was just going to strap the PVC to the side of my mounting pipes and bring the antenna and ground wires in through small holes in the side of the PVC. In my discussions with Toni, N0NI, he suggested drilling a hole in the pipe cap and sliding the antenna element (in my case, 1" aluminum) through the cap with a piece of 4" PVC attached to it. I cut the 4" PVC in 15" length and put an assembly together to try. It works quite well. The PVC cap rests on the screw which passes through the 1" aluminum elements and secures the antenna wire to it. I sealed the hole in the PVC cap around the aluminum passing through it with liquid tape. The PVC pipe covers the amp and associated wiring. I did drill the hole in the cap somewhat off center to allow a little extra room for the amp which was is tie wrapped to the side of my steel "U" type 4' fence post. Now that I've tried one and am pleased I'll be finishing up the other seven elements in a similar manner tomorrow (if we don't get rain or snow). > > 73. . .Dave > W0FLS > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Wed Mar 23 19:13:46 2011 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:13:46 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> <4D8A7557.8060704@hizantennas.com> Message-ID: <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> Even gasketed enclosures are a problem. Unless they are pressurized (like air Heliax), you still have problems with condensation. Leaving an opportunity for some air flow is a better approach than air tight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "contact" To: "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps > Dave, > > Good going. Unless one uses a gasketed enclosure, moisture accumulation > is a problem, unless there is a way for the accumulation to be removed or > released. > > Dick KO7N > > Hi-Z Antennas(tm) > > On 3/23/2011 3:00 PM, David Raymond wrote: >> I put up an 8 circle-narrow 160m array early last December. I was in a >> quandary as to how to weatherproof the amps at the antenna elements. >> Being pressed for time and having a snowstorm bearing down on me, I >> wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and secured the mess with tape. >> And it was a mess but it kept things dry, or so I thought. I had not >> given consideration to condensation. Cal, W0IZL, mentioned to me that he >> used the same approach and had experienced enough condensation problems >> that a couple of his amp boxes had to have work. I felt more pressed to >> find a more permanent, suitable solution that would allow for air >> circulation. >> >> In my pondering as to how to approach a more permanent solution, I put >> the amps inside of 4" PVC with caps on top and leaving the bottom open. >> I was just going to strap the PVC to the side of my mounting pipes and >> bring the antenna and ground wires in through small holes in the side of >> the PVC. In my discussions with Toni, N0NI, he suggested drilling a hole >> in the pipe cap and sliding the antenna element (in my case, 1" aluminum) >> through the cap with a piece of 4" PVC attached to it. I cut the 4" PVC >> in 15" length and put an assembly together to try. It works quite well. >> The PVC cap rests on the screw which passes through the 1" aluminum >> elements and secures the antenna wire to it. I sealed the hole in the >> PVC cap around the aluminum passing through it with liquid tape. The PVC >> pipe covers the amp and associated wiring. I did drill the hole in the >> cap somewhat off center to allow a little extra room for the amp which >> was is tie wrapped to the side of my steel "U" type 4' fence post. Now >> that I've tried one and am pleased I'll be finishing up the other seven >> elements in a similar manner tomorrow (if we don't get rain or snow). >> >> 73. . .Dave >> W0FLS >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From gysgt at peak.org Wed Mar 23 19:36:19 2011 From: gysgt at peak.org (Gunny) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:36:19 -0700 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps In-Reply-To: <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> <4D8A7557.8060704@hizantennas.com> <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <4D8A83F3.7030506@peak.org> Dave, Yes. I was not totally clear. There are gasketed types that have rubber o-ring / gaskets around the coax, too and work very well. It is true that when sealed they retain whatever moisture is captured, but find that typically is OK. Air flow in lieu of a totally sealed approach works very well indeed. Dick On 3/23/2011 4:13 PM, David Raymond wrote: > Even gasketed enclosures are a problem. Unless they are pressurized > (like air Heliax), you still have problems with condensation. Leaving > an opportunity for some air flow is a better approach than air tight. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "contact" > To: "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing > amps > > >> Dave, >> >> Good going. Unless one uses a gasketed enclosure, moisture >> accumulation is a problem, unless there is a way for the accumulation >> to be removed or released. >> >> Dick KO7N >> >> Hi-Z Antennas(tm) >> >> On 3/23/2011 3:00 PM, David Raymond wrote: >>> I put up an 8 circle-narrow 160m array early last December. I was >>> in a quandary as to how to weatherproof the amps at the antenna >>> elements. Being pressed for time and having a snowstorm bearing down >>> on me, I wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and secured the >>> mess with tape. And it was a mess but it kept things dry, or so I >>> thought. I had not given consideration to condensation. Cal, >>> W0IZL, mentioned to me that he used the same approach and had >>> experienced enough condensation problems that a couple of his amp >>> boxes had to have work. I felt more pressed to find a more >>> permanent, suitable solution that would allow for air circulation. >>> >>> In my pondering as to how to approach a more permanent solution, I >>> put the amps inside of 4" PVC with caps on top and leaving the >>> bottom open. I was just going to strap the PVC to the side of my >>> mounting pipes and bring the antenna and ground wires in through >>> small holes in the side of the PVC. In my discussions with Toni, >>> N0NI, he suggested drilling a hole in the pipe cap and sliding the >>> antenna element (in my case, 1" aluminum) through the cap with a >>> piece of 4" PVC attached to it. I cut the 4" PVC in 15" length and >>> put an assembly together to try. It works quite well. The PVC cap >>> rests on the screw which passes through the 1" aluminum elements and >>> secures the antenna wire to it. I sealed the hole in the PVC cap >>> around the aluminum passing through it with liquid tape. The PVC >>> pipe covers the amp and associated wiring. I did drill the hole in >>> the cap somewhat off center to allow a little extra room for the amp >>> which was is tie wrapped to the side of my steel "U" type 4' fence >>> post. Now that I've tried one and am pleased I'll be finishing up >>> the other seven elements in a similar manner tomorrow (if we don't >>> get rain or snow). >>> >>> 73. . .Dave >>> W0FLS >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >>> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >>> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > > From f6bki at orange.fr Thu Mar 24 02:43:09 2011 From: f6bki at orange.fr (Jacques RAMBAUD) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:43:09 -0000 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <7F89BD6FB77141738C9DAB1EC8DEA337@Y> Hello all , Dave , any pictures available ?? Thank you 73 Jacques F6BKI ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Raymond" To: "Hi-Z" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:00 PM Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps >I put up an 8 circle-narrow 160m array early last December. I was in a >quandary as to how to weatherproof the amps at the antenna elements. Being >pressed for time and having a snowstorm bearing down on me, I wrapped the >amps in plastic grocery bags and secured the mess with tape. And it was a >mess but it kept things dry, or so I thought. I had not given >consideration to condensation. Cal, W0IZL, mentioned to me that he used >the same approach and had experienced enough condensation problems that a >couple of his amp boxes had to have work. I felt more pressed to find a >more permanent, suitable solution that would allow for air circulation. > > In my pondering as to how to approach a more permanent solution, I put the > amps inside of 4" PVC with caps on top and leaving the bottom open. I was > just going to strap the PVC to the side of my mounting pipes and bring the > antenna and ground wires in through small holes in the side of the PVC. > In my discussions with Toni, N0NI, he suggested drilling a hole in the > pipe cap and sliding the antenna element (in my case, 1" aluminum) through > the cap with a piece of 4" PVC attached to it. I cut the 4" PVC in 15" > length and put an assembly together to try. It works quite well. The PVC > cap rests on the screw which passes through the 1" aluminum elements and > secures the antenna wire to it. I sealed the hole in the PVC cap around > the aluminum passing through it with liquid tape. The PVC pipe covers the > amp and associated wiring. I did drill the hole in the cap somewhat off > center to allow a little extra room for the amp which was is tie wrapped > to the side of my steel "U" type 4' fence post. Now that I've tried one > and am pleased I'll be finishing up the other seven elements in a similar > manner tomorrow (if we don't get rain or snow). > > 73. . .Dave > W0FLS > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From mikewate at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 03:14:45 2011 From: mikewate at gmail.com (Mike Waters) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:14:45 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps In-Reply-To: <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> <4D8A7557.8060704@hizantennas.com> <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:13 PM, David Raymond wrote: > Even gasketed enclosures are a problem. Unless they are pressurized (like > air Heliax), you still have problems with condensation. Leaving an > opportunity for some air flow is a better approach than air tight. > I have had good results with small gasketed enclosures, like the one at http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_control_box_4444.jpg and http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_box4412.jpg. I fill all the connectors with silicone dielectric compound, and there are NO air vents. Works for me. I don't know how big these preamps are. Regardless, the larger the enclosure, the more of a chance you have for moist air getting inside. Reason being, there is a larger internal pressure change with a given temperature and/or barometric pressure change. In the past, I have put a little desiccant package inside enclosures sealed with tape. 73 Mike www.w0btu.com From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Thu Mar 24 05:36:31 2011 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 04:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> <7F89BD6FB77141738C9DAB1EC8DEA337@Y> Message-ID: <520694452D904CD890D1C98C26F2A9E4@radiocomputer> Jacques. . .I don't have any pictures right now but will be taking some. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacques RAMBAUD" To: "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps > Hello all , Dave , any pictures available ?? Thank you > 73 > Jacques F6BKI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Raymond" > To: "Hi-Z" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:00 PM > Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps > > >>I put up an 8 circle-narrow 160m array early last December. I was in a >>quandary as to how to weatherproof the amps at the antenna elements. >>Being pressed for time and having a snowstorm bearing down on me, I >>wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and secured the mess with tape. >>And it was a mess but it kept things dry, or so I thought. I had not >>given consideration to condensation. Cal, W0IZL, mentioned to me that he >>used the same approach and had experienced enough condensation problems >>that a couple of his amp boxes had to have work. I felt more pressed to >>find a more permanent, suitable solution that would allow for air >>circulation. >> >> In my pondering as to how to approach a more permanent solution, I put >> the amps inside of 4" PVC with caps on top and leaving the bottom open. >> I was just going to strap the PVC to the side of my mounting pipes and >> bring the antenna and ground wires in through small holes in the side of >> the PVC. In my discussions with Toni, N0NI, he suggested drilling a hole >> in the pipe cap and sliding the antenna element (in my case, 1" aluminum) >> through the cap with a piece of 4" PVC attached to it. I cut the 4" PVC >> in 15" length and put an assembly together to try. It works quite well. >> The PVC cap rests on the screw which passes through the 1" aluminum >> elements and secures the antenna wire to it. I sealed the hole in the >> PVC cap around the aluminum passing through it with liquid tape. The PVC >> pipe covers the amp and associated wiring. I did drill the hole in the >> cap somewhat off center to allow a little extra room for the amp which >> was is tie wrapped to the side of my steel "U" type 4' fence post. Now >> that I've tried one and am pleased I'll be finishing up the other seven >> elements in a similar manner tomorrow (if we don't get rain or snow). >> >> 73. . .Dave >> W0FLS >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From ron at k4wz.com Thu Mar 24 05:52:59 2011 From: ron at k4wz.com (Ron Todd) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:52:59 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Pic Message-ID: <5B99B93BE69040C8ABF368B9EC8FC1B1@K4WZ> Hear how I potected the mine. I used wire verticals that I made 20 foot. Works great ! http://www.flickr.com/photos/33293873 at N04/5190217432/ From contact at hizantennas.com Thu Mar 24 12:16:38 2011 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps In-Reply-To: References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> <4D8A7557.8060704@hizantennas.com> <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <4D8B6E66.5050204@hizantennas.com> Hi Mike, Could you send the link URL for that enclosure? TNX Dick On 3/24/2011 12:14 AM, Mike Waters wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:13 PM, David Raymondwrote: > >> Even gasketed enclosures are a problem. Unless they are pressurized (like >> air Heliax), you still have problems with condensation. Leaving an >> opportunity for some air flow is a better approach than air tight. >> > I have had good results with small gasketed enclosures, like the one at > http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_control_box_4444.jpg and > http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_box4412.jpg. > I fill all the connectors with silicone dielectric compound, and there are > NO air vents. Works for me. > > I don't know how big these preamps are. Regardless, the larger the > enclosure, the more of a chance you have for moist air getting inside. > Reason being, there is a larger internal pressure change with a given > temperature and/or barometric pressure change. > > In the past, I have put a little desiccant package inside enclosures sealed > with tape. > > 73 Mike > www.w0btu.com > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From Paul at PaulFerguson.us Thu Mar 24 12:33:01 2011 From: Paul at PaulFerguson.us (Paul Ferguson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Pic In-Reply-To: <5B99B93BE69040C8ABF368B9EC8FC1B1@K4WZ> References: <5B99B93BE69040C8ABF368B9EC8FC1B1@K4WZ> Message-ID: <4D8B723D.22284.14011DD@Paul.PaulFerguson.us> Interesting. Are the vertical wires supported by horizontal wires strung between trees? What did you use to insulate the vertical wire from the bolt on the ground rod? 73, Paul K5ESW > Hear how I potected the mine. I used wire verticals that I made 20 foot. Works > great ! From f6bki at orange.fr Thu Mar 24 14:09:46 2011 From: f6bki at orange.fr (Jacques RAMBAUD) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:09:46 -0000 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer><7F89BD6FB77141738C9DAB1EC8DEA337@Y> <520694452D904CD890D1C98C26F2A9E4@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <67431D28407E4C758D807A14DFB9F69E@Y> Thank you Dave !! 73 Jacques F6BKI ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Raymond" To: "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps > Jacques. . .I don't have any pictures right now but will be taking some. > 73. . . Dave, W0FLS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacques RAMBAUD" > To: "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps > > >> Hello all , Dave , any pictures available ?? Thank you >> 73 >> Jacques F6BKI >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Raymond" >> To: "Hi-Z" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:00 PM >> Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps >> >> >>>I put up an 8 circle-narrow 160m array early last December. I was in a >>>quandary as to how to weatherproof the amps at the antenna elements. >>>Being pressed for time and having a snowstorm bearing down on me, I >>>wrapped the amps in plastic grocery bags and secured the mess with tape. >>>And it was a mess but it kept things dry, or so I thought. I had not >>>given consideration to condensation. Cal, W0IZL, mentioned to me that he >>>used the same approach and had experienced enough condensation problems >>>that a couple of his amp boxes had to have work. I felt more pressed to >>>find a more permanent, suitable solution that would allow for air >>>circulation. >>> >>> In my pondering as to how to approach a more permanent solution, I put >>> the amps inside of 4" PVC with caps on top and leaving the bottom open. >>> I was just going to strap the PVC to the side of my mounting pipes and >>> bring the antenna and ground wires in through small holes in the side of >>> the PVC. In my discussions with Toni, N0NI, he suggested drilling a hole >>> in the pipe cap and sliding the antenna element (in my case, 1" >>> aluminum) through the cap with a piece of 4" PVC attached to it. I cut >>> the 4" PVC in 15" length and put an assembly together to try. It works >>> quite well. The PVC cap rests on the screw which passes through the 1" >>> aluminum elements and secures the antenna wire to it. I sealed the hole >>> in the PVC cap around the aluminum passing through it with liquid tape. >>> The PVC pipe covers the amp and associated wiring. I did drill the hole >>> in the cap somewhat off center to allow a little extra room for the amp >>> which was is tie wrapped to the side of my steel "U" type 4' fence post. >>> Now that I've tried one and am pleased I'll be finishing up the other >>> seven elements in a similar manner tomorrow (if we don't get rain or >>> snow). >>> >>> 73. . .Dave >>> W0FLS >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >>> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >>> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com From ron at k4wz.com Thu Mar 24 16:08:15 2011 From: ron at k4wz.com (Ron Todd) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:08:15 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Pic References: <5B99B93BE69040C8ABF368B9EC8FC1B1@K4WZ> <4D8B723D.22284.14011DD@Paul.PaulFerguson.us> Message-ID: The horz piece is rope and the pve slides over a ground rod and only one bolt goes through the grund road and the oter is insulated from ground. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ferguson" To: "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Pic > Interesting. Are the vertical wires supported by horizontal wires strung > between trees? > > What did you use to insulate the vertical wire from the bolt on the ground > rod? > > 73, > Paul > K5ESW > > >> Hear how I potected the mine. I used wire verticals that I made 20 >> foot. Works >> great ! > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From ron at k4wz.com Thu Mar 24 16:41:50 2011 From: ron at k4wz.com (Ron Todd) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:41:50 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Pic References: <5B99B93BE69040C8ABF368B9EC8FC1B1@K4WZ><4D8B723D.22284.14011DD@Paul.PaulFerguson.us> Message-ID: Let me try this again. I been up a tower all day and cannot spell. The horz piece is rope that holds the vert up. The pvc slides over a ground rod and only one bolt goes through the ground rod and the other is insulated from ground. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Todd" To: ; "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Pic > The horz piece is rope and the pve slides over a ground rod and only one > bolt goes through the grund road and the oter is insulated from ground. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Ferguson" > To: "Hi-Z Receiving Array Discussions" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Pic > > >> Interesting. Are the vertical wires supported by horizontal wires strung >> between trees? >> >> What did you use to insulate the vertical wire from the bolt on the >> ground rod? >> >> 73, >> Paul >> K5ESW >> >> >>> Hear how I potected the mine. I used wire verticals that I made 20 >>> foot. Works >>> great ! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From mikewate at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 18:02:36 2011 From: mikewate at gmail.com (Mike Waters) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:02:36 -0500 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps In-Reply-To: <4D8B6E66.5050204@hizantennas.com> References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> <4D8A7557.8060704@hizantennas.com> <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> <4D8B6E66.5050204@hizantennas.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, contact wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Could you send the link URL for that enclosure? > > TNX Dick You mean a URL to a supplier? I don't have a link handy, but Mouser and Newark have them. They are made by Hammond. They are polycarbonate, and the lids are available in clear, smoke, and opaque. They come in many sizes. I have been using those for my Beverage antenna enclosures for some time now. 73 Mike www.w0btu.com > On 3/24/2011 12:14 AM, Mike Waters wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:13 PM, David Raymond> >wrote: >> >> Even gasketed enclosures are a problem. Unless they are pressurized >>> (like >>> air Heliax), you still have problems with condensation. Leaving an >>> opportunity for some air flow is a better approach than air tight. >>> >>> I have had good results with small gasketed enclosures, like the one at >> http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_control_box_4444.jpg and >> http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_box4412.jpg. >> I fill all the connectors with silicone dielectric compound, and there are >> NO air vents. Works for me. >> >> I don't know how big these preamps are. Regardless, the larger the >> enclosure, the more of a chance you have for moist air getting inside. >> Reason being, there is a larger internal pressure change with a given >> temperature and/or barometric pressure change. >> >> In the past, I have put a little desiccant package inside enclosures >> sealed >> with tape. >> >> 73 Mike >> www.w0btu.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From contact at hizantennas.com Thu Mar 24 18:32:57 2011 From: contact at hizantennas.com (contact) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:32:57 -0700 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Idea for weatherproofing amps In-Reply-To: References: <5F5F40E9BC774F45B4F32277E035606E@radiocomputer> <4D8A7557.8060704@hizantennas.com> <666898D348304D148CEC516D40B1685B@radiocomputer> <4D8B6E66.5050204@hizantennas.com> Message-ID: <4D8BC699.1020507@hizantennas.com> TNX Mike. Dick On 3/24/2011 3:02 PM, Mike Waters wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM, contact wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Could you send the link URL for that enclosure? >> >> TNX Dick > > You mean a URL to a supplier? I don't have a link handy, but Mouser and > Newark have them. They are made by Hammond. > > They are polycarbonate, and the lids are available in clear, smoke, and > opaque. They come in many sizes. I have been using those for my Beverage > antenna enclosures for some time now. > > 73 Mike > www.w0btu.com > > >> On 3/24/2011 12:14 AM, Mike Waters wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:13 PM, David Raymond>>> wrote: >>> Even gasketed enclosures are a problem. Unless they are pressurized >>>> (like >>>> air Heliax), you still have problems with condensation. Leaving an >>>> opportunity for some air flow is a better approach than air tight. >>>> >>>> I have had good results with small gasketed enclosures, like the one at >>> http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_control_box_4444.jpg and >>> http://www.w0btu.com/images/Beverage_box4412.jpg. >>> I fill all the connectors with silicone dielectric compound, and there are >>> NO air vents. Works for me. >>> >>> I don't know how big these preamps are. Regardless, the larger the >>> enclosure, the more of a chance you have for moist air getting inside. >>> Reason being, there is a larger internal pressure change with a given >>> temperature and/or barometric pressure change. >>> >>> In the past, I have put a little desiccant package inside enclosures >>> sealed >>> with tape. >>> >>> 73 Mike >>> www.w0btu.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >>> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >>> >>> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list >> Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com >> >> http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions mailing list > Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions at hizantennas.com > http://mail.hizantennas.com/mailman/listinfo/hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions_hizantennas.com > From john.kaufmann at verizon.net Mon Mar 28 18:16:49 2011 From: john.kaufmann at verizon.net (John Kaufmann) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:16:49 -0400 Subject: [Hi-zreceivingarraydiscussions] Status of DXE patent lawsuit Message-ID: <003e01cbed95$d6475460$82d5fd20$@kaufmann@verizon.net> Here is the latest on the court case: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/ohio/ohndce/5:2010cv028 06/171142/24/. It appears that the pending patent infringement lawsuit has been suspended for now. 73, John W1FV